Review of 2nd test Q&A 0
Petersen’s hamstring should take about a week to recover, so he should also be fine for the final Test starting on August 16.
Hi Ken,
Overall I think SA performed well and also think we very capable of taking 20wkt and scoring big runs, but with the injuries to some guys do you think we got a chance in the last test to finally be named the no#1 test team in the world??
I would still like SA to play a specialist wicketkeeper – Tsolekile – but I guess the balance of the team is good at the moment with Duminy scoring runs. But I’ll be upset if AB doesn’t do more than just score pretty 40s!
I am of the opinion that we are confident at this ground and can dominate.
Your thoughts…
Hi Kenhonestly id firstly like to say that if the rain did not come…we(SA) would have lost, having declared with nine down, i dont think we would of made significantly more than we gave them to chase. That being said around 20 overs were lost due to rain… i am sure England wouyld have batted differently and indeed won the second test, do you agree? also what is your opinion on Tahir? should he play the last test based on the fact that he can only trouble lower order batsmen?
Well it’s difficult to say because the rain also affected the way we batted. We had to deal with constant interruptions and the batsmen playing themselves back in again. Plus we batted with a certain amount of freedom in order to declare with only about 40 overs left in the day – more of a psychological statement than anything. And at 130 for four, England only held a slight advantage.
I think Tahir should play the last test because he’s our best spinner. We’ve had problems with the lower-order before – and England’s is strong with Broad, Bresnan & Swann – so it’s great to have someone who can wrap that up quickly. At the Oval, in conducive conditions, he did trouble the top-order as well.
With Tahir not really doing the buisness,being quite expensive and still bowling too many bad balls,do you think it would be an option to make Duminy our spinner and bring in another player like faf Du Plessis who bats well and can bowl as well if needed.I know Tahir got some wickets but he basically wrapped up the tail and even part timer Pieterson of england was giving it a good rip.
I agree, I would like to see a change maybe in our bowling line-up, with Steyn taking the new ball at least once at Lord’s. I know Vernon is at his best when the seam is still standing up, but Dale is number one in the world!
Hi Ken,With AB De Villiers now tasked with the keeping duties for what is likely to be both tests and ODI”s, do you think that this would affect the potential impact he could make by batting lower down the order, and his batting in general?
Absolutely. AB de Villiers wants to bat 4 and be the number one batsman in the world. And he can do it, so why on earth do we want to shove him down the order and make him an all-rounder?
I’m sure he’ll be disappointed if he does not make a match-winning century at Lord’s – that’s what he’s there for.
Having not followed the starts of most well known great spinners, do spinner sometimes start off ordinary and hone their skills to become great on the field ?
Basically its just a question regarding Tahir.
He is by no means useless with the ball but also not in the same bracket as Anil Kumble , Warne etc.
Could he become a great worthy to be mentioned among the greats , if given enough time if you look at the start of carriers of great spinners ?
Spin-bowling is an art and, traditionally, the exponents get better with age. Popular opinion is that spinners are in their prime after they turn 30. Tahir, of course, is already 33, so a lengthy career is probably beyond him. But he is getting better and better as he adapts to test intensity and is the best test spinner we have at the moment. He works hard on his fitness, so he could play for five more years and could be really good!
I don’t think so – Kallis bowled on the final day, Smith had a lengthy bat and Petersen’s hamstring should be fine in a week.
The pressure is now squarely on England if they want to retain that number one ranking!
Philander seems to have lost his form a bit. He bowled short and wide. This is different from how he got his 50 wickets
Well I’m confident they’ll both be fit. But if not, Rudolph can open the batting again with Faf du Plessis coming in down the order. Albie Morkel would probably be the most suitable replacement for Kallis, although Faf could also come into contention there.
Or Tsolekile could come in to allow De Villiers to concentrate on his batting.
Well I think we have to stay positive and still play to win, otherwise you hand the momentum to England and get yourself in trouble. Bat first, bat big and control the game with the sheer weight of runs on the scoreboard!
Also,I feel in a fully fit squad, that Rudolph should move up to 3, everybody else down 1. Kallis is either a natural 3 or 5 and 3 is out as the short ball is getting to him. He is an awesome anchor, so less usefull as a 4 or 6. AB, again, looks most at home when showing attacking intent. He is possibly the most capable batsman in the world of getting a run-a-ball 200 from 6 batting with the tail.
What do you think of this?
Two questions: why is Ashwell Prince no longer in the mix; and why does Smith persist in bowling Dale Steyn at first change?
The thinking with the bowling order is that Philander is at his best when the seam is still standing up and Morne Morkel has a great record against left-handers and Andrew Strauss in particular. Dale’s record against left-handers isn’t as good …
I think Faf will do well whenever he gets his test chance.
I agree! We weren’t tight enough in the field and the wicketkeeper sets the tone in the field. AB is not as verbal as most wicketkeepers and perhaps the intensity suffers as a result. But the bowlers were also not quite at their best and need to get back to the levels of pressure they exerted at the Oval. I think Tahir is fulfilling his role of wrapping up the lower-order.
I expect swann coming back in the Eng side. Do you think he will? and will he be dangerous against our poor run of form against spinners over the years?
Yes, I’m sure Swann will return, but he has an elbow niggle and doesn’t seem to be the same bowler as when we last played England.
He is a dangerous bowler though, especially against our left-handers.
But I don’t think we’re poor against spin – we wouldn’t have done well on the sub-continent if we were – and I believe we play spin better than England!
Will Alviro and Kallis be fit for the game and both are not who will be the guys coming in
I’m not sure AB was that indecisive scoring 44 off 45 in the second innings! But I’m sure 2x40s will not satisfy him and he’ll be looking for a big hundred in the last test.
Hopefully Rudolph’s dismissals were just an aberration – he did score 19 and 69 before that … I’m sure he’ll be sorting out any hitches against off-spin in the nets before Lord’s …
I’m sure Kallis and Petersen will both be fit, but potential replacements have been discussed above.
With injury to Alviro I would love to see Faf been given a chance as he bring another wicket taking option with him on field and his batting has mature like great wine, what your thoughts?
Playing XI for lords
Hi Ken,Just like in the first test, South Africa conceded a large number of extras compared to England. Surely this must be a matter of concern to Allan Donald and the rest of th coaching staff?
Yes, it should be a concern and, as I mentioned above, I can’t help wondering if some of the looseness is down to not having a specialist wicketkeeper?
Hi Ken,My question is about Imran Tahir it”s great watching him bowl to tail enders but extremely frustrating watching him against the England top order because he does not seem to trouble them.
Is it harsh to criticise him now or will he learn because I think about 70% to 80% of his wickets are tail enders?
Cheers
Jody
I think he has troubled the top-order sometimes and I think we should be patient. At least he’s doing the important job of knocking over the lower-order, which we have struggled with in the past!
The pressure’s firmly on England going into the final test, so I don’t think choking comes into it! Petersen still has a week to get fit, so I’m sure he’ll be available for Lord’s.
Yes, I think there was a suggestion of that. But we cannot allow the England bowlers to get their confidence back by being complacent. The batsmen must be ruthless!
Dont you think it”s time for King Kallis to focus only on batting. It seems like the load of being an all-rounder is too much for him lately especially on his health.thanks for your time
I think Kallis is being managed carefully and he’s only bowled 42 overs in the two tests, roughly half the workload of the other frontline bowlers. He’s also made 3 crucial breakthroughs and is great at building pressure, he’s been our most economical bowler. Having him as a bowler is one of the greatest strengths of the team!
He’ll also be resting for the ODI series afterwards …
On close scrutiny, Rudolph was out, nothing behind the line, and Smith seemed to get a scratch off the bottom of the bat – you can even see him mouth the words “the bottom of my bat” to Amla when they’re chatting about the review. There were no more reviews left for AB’s decision and that wasn’t a good one.
Hi Ken.2 questions.
No.1 – If the injuries of King Kallis and Alviro turn out to be serious, which will cause them to miss the next test, who will replace them?
No.2 – In my opinion Faf has been in great form and showed his ability to play in all formats. whats your thoughts on him being selected in all 3 formats of the game ?
I’ve covered both questions above.
As much as we all like to hate Kevin Peterson, and as many reasons as he gives for that to be justified, I truly believe that he has single-handedly transformed English cricket for the better.Do you think that England would ever have been ranked world no.1”s without the injection of aggression from KP? To me, it seemed that Enland were always too conservative to ever dominate.Also, although SA were in the driving seat for Test#2, it seemed that the English bowlers did a lot more than ours (surprising since the English had a massive workload in the 1st test). Do you think our bowlers will prove more the threat they SHOULD be in the last test, or do you think our chances hinge more on our batsmen?Thanks.
Grant
Pietersen is a phenomenal batsman no doubt, not many could have played the sort of innings he did. He didn’t just rescue England from trouble, he also put them in position to win the test – that’s the aggressive intent you’re talking about.
Although our bowlers weren’t on top of their games, it still took a special innings to get the better of them, and I think I’m a little more disappointed in our batting.
In both innings we failed to capitalise on great starts – the openers put on 120 in both innings! Especially in the first innings, there were some soft dismissals and we really should have scored more than 500 to really shut England out.
At Lord’s, we’re 1-0 up, so it will be all about our batsmen putting us in a position where we cannot lose.
Hi,How difficult is it for a spinner not to bowl no-balls? Surely its a matter of changing your run-up/walk-up?
It is unusual for a spinner to bowl no-balls because their run-ups are shorter – less can go wrong! Can be fixed in the nets.
Is the perception mutual between all of us that Hash is an excellent batsman, but a poor runner between the wickets. I think the stats might indicate that he is involved in WAY too many run-outs?
The perception is there – but stats show he’s been run out just four times in 106 innings. Not too bad.
He made the comments on the BBC, so they’re true.
It’s very sad that straight after winning back public opinion with his marvellous innings, he lets his ego get in the way again!
KP needs test cricket more than the game needs him!
Yes it would be very disappointing after we’ve dominated the series.
Hi KenI just dont understand why there is such a delay in between test matches? Surely 5 day sis enough and not 10 days?
Swann is playing a county crickey game today. It also adds to the length of the tour..
My main gripe is 3 tests instead of 4/5. The money conscious killers of cricket still could have gotten their limited over games, and more tests…
With the injury niggles we have, I’m sure the rest will do our players the world of good!
Hi KenAny news on how Boucher is going? Has he recovered well?
And your thoughts on the wicket keeper pecking order? Are you a supporter of Thami?
Boucher still needs more surgery, but so far his recovery has been better than expected. We’ll know more tomorrow.
Yes, I think Tsolekile should play.
Hi Ken,Are you happy with our bowling attack or do you think we need to bring in someone to help us dismiss teams. We keep hearing about how good our attack is but we don’t seem able to really dominate like we should. Would it be possible to fit Albie Morkel in the team? He could potentially help both our batting and bowling.
HiIts been great to see that the SA A side has had a lot of fixtures over the lats few months. This is new for SA Cricket. Will their fixture list continue?
I feel its brilliant for their development to be in a national set-up and with other contenders. And touring is always good for development.
The SA A program is being expanded which is a good thing.
How about you?
If we draw the next game would we be world no 1. Thanks
Yes, series win gives us number one.
Can you offer any explanation for Tahir”s numerous no-balls?I used to consider myself a quick bowler, and had the long run-up to suit. For about 2 years, I used to land about 20cm SHORT of the crease, and just couldnt fix my run-up. When you change the distance, your body “auto-corrects” in the stride, taking you back to where you were before – so I understand that part….but a spinner literally only takes 3 or 4 steps. I find it very hard to believe that his no-balls are anything more than him just wanting to get as close as possible?Surely he needs to curb this now, as one of those no balls could cost us a wicket (and a match) soon! And there”s nothing worse than something like that happening when it can be easily avoided?
Quite right – for the spinner he should be able to fix it with work in the nets.
Do you think the Proteas and in particular Greame Smith got his tactics right when bowling to KP. All that short stuff on a wicket that clearly required the ball to be pitched up. Was this not simply Greame Smith”s ego vs that of KP….?
Your opinion?
We have a great record at Lord’s – we haven’t lost a test there since 1960 and have 3 of the 4 since isolation, 2008 was a draw!
For the ODI series, England are probably slight favourites. They have an excellent record at home recently and we’re resting Kallis.
1. Huge fan of Vernon P. but do you think he bowled a touch short during the whole 2nd test and if so, why wasnt it corrected. He shouldve been more successful?
2. Ive seen this before when we try and attack Pietersen and he rises to the challenge. Shouldnt we just be sticking to line and length and bore him out instead. He obviously has a point to prove being ex-south african so why play into his hands?
3. If you had to choose, who would it be Faff, JP or Rudolph.
Yes Philander did bowl a bit short, but that’s likely to happen when someone like KP is striding down the pitch to attack you!
But yes, Pietersen loves rising to the challenge and he had a point to prove after taking a lot of flak from the Oval thrashing. I tend to favour the bore-him-out approach, I must say, although he did pop a catch to short-leg that wasn’t taken!
Rudolph at the moment …
I think as England proved in the 2nd test, you generally need a specialist spinner in test cricket.
Faf should bat middle-order.
England need a result pitch!
Why did the SA bowlers bowl within themselves for most of the the test Match?Dale Steyn and co seemed to just put the ball there and not “bowl” it, why? was this part of the strategy?
Only when the match outcome was certain did they reach some proper speeds?
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